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The much anticipated Sony Ericsson XPERIA X1, a Windows Mobile Powered Professional device from Sony Ericsson. The first specifications has now been confirmed. It comes with 3 inch Wide VGA(800x480) touch screen LCD, XPERIA panel concept(software). 3.2 Megapixel camera with Touch auto focus and photo light, video capture up to 30 fps. Integrated WiFi and A-GPS. HSDPA 7.2Mbps, HSUPA 2Mbps, Windows Mobile 6.1 Professional, YouTube support with 3GPP playback, FM Radio, steaming audio/video, 3G Video call, Bluetooth 2.0, HW 3D Graphics GPU, microSD (High Capacity card - hopefully up to 16GB atleast), memory comes with a massive NAND Flash 512MB, SDRAM 256MB, Quadband EDGE, TriBand, the battery life is around 10hrs(GSM) 6.5hrs(UMTS) talktime, standby time 580hrs(GSM) 833hrs(UMTS) all this at a feather weight of 158g only.

No price indication yet.

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More information about Sony Ericsson's much touted XPERIA™ panels:

What are they? They are basically a few sets of panels(Windows) where the user see in at a glance and go to that page at a faster pace than looking for it with several clicks.

These are several panels available:
•Sony Ericsson panel – a panel to read news, weather, finance, world clock and shortcuts to communication and applications.
•Media Experience panel – center for viewing and playing multimedia files.
•Slideshow panel – slideshow of recently taken videos and photos.
•Microsoft Today panel – this panel is the actual Microsoft today screen.
•3D Fish panel – a panel that showcases the 3D features of the phone; a fish tank with 3D fishes.
•FM radio panel - a panel to access your FM radio straight.
•Google panel - provides access to all GOogle services.
•Customized panels can be offered.

Video capture
I hope to see more Sony's contribution into atleast the camera technology. The phone supports VGA size video recording at up to 30 frames per second.
•MPEG-4: 30fps at VGA*
•H.263: 30fps at VGA*
•H.264: 15fps at VGA*
*X1a model supports MPEG4, H.263 24fps encoding at QVGA only and not H.264

Which sounds promising, but the ultimate quality of the video is dependent on the lens on the device at this point we are not able to find out what type of lens they are using. (whether it is similar to those on their Sony Ericsson range of Cybershot models)

is it true that it's available already in Singapore?

I heard it's available for $300 with 3 year contract?

Definitely not.....where did you hear this? :)

pardon my language but fat hope!.. seriously.. to expect a new PDA phone, with high end specs, and a slide qwerty keyboard to cost $300 w plan? $800 more acceptable but still highly doubt it'll be so low.

pardon me but its a smart phone only right?

nonetheless it wouldn't be that dirt cheap even wif plan signed i am sure. btw is there a 3 yrs contract?

Think 4 figures.

The specs looks good... 3 yrs contract, i remember was when it was 10yrs ago?

Its a full pledge WM 6.1 pocket pc.. not the pocket pc smartphone.

It has touch screen if that is what you mean about Smartphone only.

If you look at all the specifications, it is atleast around the $800 region with telco plans.

No GPS, digital TV, OLED screen and pico projector

A-GPS is going to have to pay for subscription lah

This phone pda is going to cost at least $1200

well you obviously don't know what A-GPS is

and of course you don't have any idea about the price (like I don't)

so I wonder why all this "hate"

Sure! May be you can tell me which a-gps server is free for use and from which carrier

wow i just got my samsung i780 2 weeks ago, and now that i saw this i'm confused, however i just checked the price and didnt find anything less than a 1000 $, so i guess even if i havent gotten the i780 i wouldnt have been able to afford this :D but great phone though

I believe AGPS means you only pay when updating satelite information, which is very little cost and only update every two weeks or so. Actual usage of GPS is free.

AGPS means using internet connection to estimate location in places where a GPS fix is not available, e.g. in tunnels. Updating satellite information is a different issue.

yeah.. there is no actual "server" used in A-GPS.. its just a means of getting rough position by means of an Internet connection.. Then the GPS comes in to find the location easier. So in a way, it sorta assist in getting the location in a shorter time.. usually used on devices with less powerful GPS chipset which requires a longer time to logon to satellites.

Ah so indeed you don't know what A-GPS is.
Nobody forces you to use the "A-" part of A-GPS... you can still use it as GPS.

Still sensing some hate (hope it stays with the device and won't go towards us supporting it)...
Why, did anybody force you to buy the thing?
Or maybe it makes universal more obsolete (ie. more than what it was the day it was released)?
Or is it maybe you have some HTC shares?

Don't worry HTC will still go fine (after all Xperia is made in their factory).

So, it means you still have to pay for the intenet connection(GSM/GPRS), right?

Why the need to pay when GPS is free?




Stop spouting rubbish or taurus excreta here. What 'hate' thing and not 'hate' thing are you talking about?

You can also connect to your PC via ActiveSync, to d/l the NMEA data to your device... could last for 3~7 days

That way, you don't have to pay for GPRS connection

using the GPS on PDA is free

anyway here is the wiki on A-GPS. hope it can clear some doubt...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGPS

if that is still blur blur... maybe this comparison will be much easier to understand
http://www.wmexperts.com/articles/gps_vs_a...k_tutorial.html

I'm talking if you're on the road now and not siting at home or office and downloading gps data. If you want instant info then you'll have to pay

In case you have mistaken, the X1 does come with a GPS receiver. You can always disable A-GPS support if you like.

Assisted GPS from Wiki

"It can supply orbital data for the GPS satellites to the cell phone, enabling the cell phone to lock to the satellites when it otherwise could not, and autonomously calculate its position."

As also stated on Wiki, there are several AGPS solutions and what I have given is just one example.

"Some A-GPS solutions require an active connection to a cell phone (or other data) network to function, in others it simply makes positioning faster and more accurate, but is not required."

So the negativity you have towards the product since your first post in the thread is my misunderstanding... well whatever. Your posts are here to read (especially. the first, is really nice).

Anyway, as everybody seems to have pointed out to you, nobody forces you to use the A part of A-GPS and you can VERY easily use it like any normal GPS, with the lock times you normally get with a "no so bad" GPS chipset and appropriate antenna.

*A*-GPS is a superset of GPS, so it just CANNOT be something bad, as bad as you want it to show (or, sorry: that *I misunderstand by thinking* you want it to show).

Hope things are more clear now.

any idea or estimate date on when this phone is coming out?

NLS



So what if it's a superset of the GPS. What do you want A-GPS in S'pore for?

Like checking your posirtion in one of our 'long' 'long' underground tunnels presuming you are totally lost inside?

Or, may be use it in our Mandai garden during army training?

Or, may be use it to locate your position while inside any shopping centre, HDB flat or high-rise office building etc?

Is the A-GPS useful here and also you've to pay when using GPRS? In other countries you'll be more concern if you can receive a GSM signal for coverage may not be that good.

But A-GPS support can be disabled, so where is there a concern over data charges when you can switch off A-GPS support and rely only on GPS signals? It's there but whether you want to use it is another question, isn't it? This is puzzling.

The reports vaguely mention second half of 2008, but rumours suggest a September launch.

Many thanks for the reply... Am debating between HTC diamond and this...

hmm... actually for me personally, i dont the GPS function much when i am in Singapore.. It's more for when i travel... in some countries, it sometimes take quite a fair bit of time to get a fix... i suppose A-GPS will be useful in these situations...

My impression for A-GPS is that, it's simply an improved version over GPS. I'm willing to pay for a few cents of GPRS connection just to get a very fast fix time. The data can be kept and use for up to 7 days or so. Someone suggested downloading the data when hooking to activesync is logical since it can be kept for a few days. You don't have to worry about it when you are on the road if you update the data beforehand.

I would say it's not more to checking your location at some particular places, but to guide you driving on the road to get to places. And the reward for using it is that it can get a fix within a few seconds. It's there and it's a choice for you to make used of it.

That is not A-GPS at work. That's only downloading of satellite information to get a faster fix. A-GPS (used to estimate positioning without GPS signal) is useful for locations like tunnels, etc, where a GPS signal is not available.

no offence, you just show that you have not grasp the concept of A-GPS.

go to this link where I did a mini write up on why A-GPS is not a GPS is a myth.

http://www.zenyee.com/2008/04/19/agps-not-a-real-gps/

A-GPS still needs GPS signal. It merely speed up the TTFF which had been the heel-archilles of GPS solution in the early days.

back to the topic,

how does this compared to the HTC Pro? (the sliding version one that was just announced)?

someone in the telco had tried the SE phone, and claimed it's hotter than iphone.. haha

most mobile phones will have AGPS today, but because they are branded differently (A-GPS, instantSIRF, quickSIRF etc) so perhaps that give you the impression that you have a non A-GPS but function as good if not better than a A-GPS

Nice writeup abt AGPS. Thx! So it only helps TTFF & not normal routing, meaning we're still scre*ed in tunnels, tall building/trees coverage area.

It also means we can stop/disable the A-part if the GPS chipset is good enuff, like the SirfIII.

Think the published standby time is wrong. How can the GSM standby time be shorter than UMTS. The talktime looks promising, it means X1 can last twice as long as Atom Life in real usage.

HTC is just an Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM). The design is still SE, so the ODM should be SE. This means that SE is also in-charge of QA of the finished product, & since SE has been tickering with WM5-6 since 2005 or so. That's good news. The design team is also probably in the US. The camera will probably be SE K850-like from the pictures shown at BengalBoy (if they're real).

Question is will the SE interface beat TouchFlo 3D. I think I'd get the Diamond first, then X1 to see which will be the killer WM6.1 phone of 2008.

I think it's a tough decision between Touch Pro and X1 since the specs are really largely similar.

HTC Touch Pro:
- 288MB RAM
- HSDPA
- 2.8" VGA screen (but physically "wider" than 3.0" W-VGA screen in portrait mode)
- "shorter" than X1
- 5-row keyboard layour
- "normal" sliding from left, no arc/tilt
- Touch-sensitive buttons
- Circular wheel/d-pad
- TouchFLO 3D

SE Xperia X1:
- 256MB RAM
- HSUPA/HSDPA
- 3.0" W-VGA screen
- Smaller, lighter
- 1.05mm slimmer than Touch Pro
- 4-row keyboard layout
- Arc slider keyboard
- Tactile buttons
- Touchpad with 4-way D-pad
- Hard softkeys on the front panel

Personally, TouchFLO 3D is sufficient to shift my attention from the X1 to the Touch Pro.

Hey Vicott, don't put X1 down yet! don't forget SE still has another 5 months. I'm sure they'll respond to the TouchFlo 3D. Sony is suppose to be about style after all.

Although TouchFLO 3D was the main reason, I also prefer to have a "bigger" screen rather than a smaller but taller W-VGA screen. If the X1 is very competitive priced compared to Touch Pro, I may start geting interested. Otherwise, TouchFLO 3D is a winner for me. Oh, and Sony Ericsson has always been my favorite brand.

Well, with a mobile form-factor, we can't hv everything. SE has also been my favorite brand, but Symbian was not my thing. I've lived with a QVGA screen for long so any improvement is an improvement for me.

well, sensitive chip will never beat A-GPS because no matter how sensitive your chip is, you will never beat the instant availability of ephemeris data which would otherwise need to be downloaded from the satellites.

There's always a reason why the manufacturer puts instantSIRF even on a SIRF3 chipset

It looks like SE will have its own version of TouchFLO, or at least some customized home screen UI that makes browsing and navigating less pain than a standard bare minimum WM phone

it depends. If SE had HTC to design the phone, then HTC is the ODM. It's possible, you never know unless you are/have somebody inside SE or HTC that can verify who's responsible for the design.

I think the key advantage (or perceived advantage) for SE is its strong phone business background, and hopefully it makes WM phone complete.

SE Interface is definitely something to look out for.

I use my Nokia GPS twice a week & I get a lock quite quickly, less than 3 minutes, so I guess, I'd rather not pay for the AGPS. But I agree that it's a nice feature to have if I have to reset the GPS or I have not used the GPS for many weeks.

It's arguable who did what, but I believe SE did the case design & form factors. If HTC just layout the circuit board required to fit in the form factor (candy-bar slider), I would not call them ODM, because ODMs are suppose to come out with the vision of the finished product.

many products today have gone on the ODM model, so I will not be surprise if HTC is the ODM (and agree that ODM is more than just assembling the parts together but have R&D to research and design the product)

that's a fair comment, since different people have different expectation & requirements. For me, I would definitely like to have AGPS since I'm already downloading so many Mb of data, what's that additional few K of AGPS data