ive notice the increasing interest about wm5,so heres a tread to help out u guys.. so feel free to post ur questions here n we'll try our best to give u the information.. but please bear in mind that cross flashing discussions r nt allowed in PPCSG,so this is strictly for Q n A of wm5 only..

- Any improvements for Microsoft Bluetooth Stack?
- Does WM5 lags a lot?
- What is this persistance storage all about (Soft reset / hard reset?)
- How much Storage do you have? 96MB (ROM)?
- 128MB of RAM?

Have all your questions answered in this montly event:
Windows CE 5.0 Live Chat!

WM5 Pocket PCs Released:
- Dell Axim X51/X51V (VGA)
- HP iPAQ rx1950
- HP iPAQ hx2190/2490/2790

Upcoming WM5 Pocket PCs:
- Asus MyPal A632/A636 (GPS)
- Acer n310/n311 (VGA)
- Fujitsu-Siemens Pocket Loox N500s (802.11g, GPS, VGA)
- HTC Galaxy (aka Dopod P100)

Upcoming WM5 Pocket PC Phones:
- HTC Universal (aka Dopod 900)
- HTC Wizard (aka Dopod 838)
- HTC Apache
- HTC Prophet (2.1MP Camera, FM Tuner)
- HTC Hermes (2.1MP Camera, 3G)
- HTC Muse (3G, 4GB MD, 2.1MP Camera, FM Tuner)
- O2 XDA Atom
- ETEN M600
- GigaByte "Einstein" (2.1MP Camera, FM/TV Tuner)
- AnexTEK moboDA 3360
- HP iPAQ hw6715 (GPS)
- MiTAC Mio A701 (GPS)
- Qool Labs QDA Oh! (WM5 Upgrade to be available in Q1 2006)

Upcoming WM5 Smartphones:
- HTC Tornado Noble (aka O2 Orion or Dopod 577w)
- HTC Tornado Tempo (aka Dopod 586w)
- HTC StarTrek (2.1MP camera, Clamshell)
- HTC Breeze (3G)
- Moto Q
- Samsung SGH-i300 (Upgraded from WM2003SE)

Existing Pocket PCs to be receiving Official WM5 Upgrade:
- HP iPAQ hx2000s
- HP iPAQ hx4700
- Dell Axim X50/X50V
- Fujitsu-Siemens Pocket Loox 700s
- ETEN M500
- Acer n50

Size of ROM & Persistent Storage:

• Acer n311: 128MB ROM and about 84MB persistent storage
• Fujitsu-Siemens Pocket Loox N520 (engineering set): 64MB ROM and about 26MB persistent storage
• Dell Axim X51V: 256MB ROM and about 195MB persistent storage
• HP iPAQ rx1950: 64MB ROM and about 33MB persistent storage
• HP iPAQ hx2190/2490: 128MB ROM and about 80MB persistent storage
• HP iPAQ hx2790: 192MB ROM and about 144MB persistent storage
• HTC Universal: 128MB ROM and about 44MB persistent storage
• HTC Wizard: 128MB ROM and about 47MB persistent storage
• HTC Galaxy: 64MB ROM and about 33-37MB persistent storage

Some threads to read on persistent storage:
http://www.ppcsg.com/http://www.ppcsg.com/index.php?showtopic=55610
http://www.ppcsg.com/http://www.ppcsg.com/index.php?showtopic=5...ndpost&p=381549
http://www.ppcsg.com/http://www.ppcsg.com/index.php?showtopic=57978
http://www.ppcsg.com/http://www.ppcsg.com/index.php?showtopic=52727
http://www.ppcsg.com/http://www.ppcsg.com/index.php?showtopic=51520

Some other threads on Windows Mobile 5.0:
http://www.ppcsg.com/http://www.ppcsg.com/index.php?showtopic=51355
http://www.ppcsg.com/http://www.ppcsg.com/index.php?showtopic=51357
http://www.ppcsg.com/http://www.ppcsg.com/index.php?showtopic=56986
http://www.ppcsg.com/http://www.ppcsg.com/index.php?showtopic=56570
http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/index.php?...on=expand,43342

Screenshots Galore:
http://www.davespda.com/special/wm5/
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/pre...ry/default.mspx
http://www.aximsite.com/articles/link.php?id=283

Software Compatibility List:
http://www.wm5fixsite.com/

Some notes:

• Persistent Storage means that programs installed to main memory will go to ROM (Storage Memory)
• RAM will be used mainly for running programs (Program Memory)
• A flat battery will not result in a hard reset
• Pocket PC can be turned off in WM5
• 32MB RAM and 64MB ROM is the bare minimum requirement for Pocket PCs
• 64MB RAM and 128MB ROM would be more ideal for Pocket PCs, especially Pocket PC Phones
• Pocket PCs may be able to run Smartphone applications, but not vice versa
• More Pocket PC softwares will have functions mapped to hardware buttons, including Call and End Call Buttons, i.e. more ease for 1-hand usage.
• Software Compatibility may be a very big issue.
• Installation of CAB files will be like Smartphones, i.e. able to choose whether to install to main memory or Storage Card.
• Smartphones will also have native Wi-Fi support (probably like the Zero Config utility found on Pocket PCs)
• Smartphones will support QVGA Screens (already supported since WM2003SE)

the bluetooth is still around there nt much diff
its very laggy nw,i suppose its due to the engineering version that's y..
persistant storage,there's no diff in a hard or soft resets in wm5 both r just soft resets, even if u were to reflash ur rom,ur programs will still b there.. they r all installed into ur ram,windows n program files folders will then b in ur storage (which is hidden in a way u don't c the folder storage but u c the windows n program files folders,u will only c that when u downgrade to 2003se)
for the hw much mem u hv left in ur storage n ram,there wun be anymore storage folder,it will be like Device Folder=Storage Folder. ram wise its still 128mb..

So hard reset = soft reset, then how do u remove ur applications?

No more hard reset then

remove programs lo.. 4 registerys wise u stuff like sktools or memaid to do the job..

Persistent Storage info:

Part 1

Part 2

Info from WIndows Mobile Team Blog.

Most likely, hard reset in WM5 will be a different concept. It will probably clear some files in RAM and wipe out the ROM. Yet to be confirmed though.

Anyway, the basic idea of a hard reset is reformatting the device. How it is executed in WM5 will be different from current OS, so it's not right to say hard reset is same as soft reset. There is no difference in the idea, but there is difference in the execution in the new OS.

th rom will nt b wipe out. rom=storage= persistant storage. it will still b there

Which means you cannot do a hard reset(back to factory setting) without the help of manufacturer?Or is there another way of doing hard reset?

That's probably due to the implementation of current devices (with upgraded OS). However, the implementation might be different in the upcoming devices with WM5.

The idea is that you don't call it a hard reset when it does not clear your device and reset it to factory state. Hard reset is not only referring to clearing the RAM. It's a very broad term and simply means reformat.

And not forgetting hard reset also involves resetting the registries, clearing settings, temp files, etc also.

I agree with Vicott.

The concern now I think is the limitation of flash memory(in term of the number of times a flash memory ca be rewritten).

hmm. Flash memory is just like your thumbdrive.. it should be rewritable unlimited number of times.

Read the microsoft win mobile team blog mention of est 250,000 times.

thirtycents,
Do you mean "the ROM will not be wiped out. ROM=storage=persistant storage. It will still be there"?

all these things have a life i should say. Like thumbdrives should retire after usage of XX years (depending on usage)... so you wouldn't get any corruption and etc.

But it should be assumed as unlimited....

Anyway, I'm waitnig for PPC with microdrives!

Yeah man!Like the one Symphony posted ...the new 8GB microdrive 3K8

yeah... i yearn to have that for my next pocket pc

let mi get back to 2003se to start off this.
in 2003se
windows,program files,temp,storage,storage card folders r all in the root directory,meaning in Device

in wm5
windows,program files,temp,storage card folders r still in the root directory,meaning in Device.

but notice that u don't c the storage folder in wm5 anymore.if u were to downgrade back to 2003se,u will c that all the folders in the root directory are all created in the storage folder.

so in wm5 the root directory(Device) is actually your storage folder.

Just wondering, can you still use RAM to store files?

All files, documents and installation of programs will be involving the ROM. The RAM will mainly be used for running programs only. So that means RAM size is no longer a big issue in WM5.

Ok. I thought we could still use some part of our RAM to store data (for those that requires fast access). I understand RAM is much faster then ROM.

Some screen shots

More ss

Can you use MMS ?

hmm haven tried that.. i don't send mms. but i suppose if u hv your telco set up properly mms should not be a problem.

The default MMS in WM2003 cannot work with WM2005, you need to install something call MMSd. Do search for it on the net. I don't send MMS too thus did not try this s/w.

Hey Guys,

Just for your info there is current some massive development work for a good and stable MMS client...Do stay tuned for more WM5 updates....

Basically treat it like when Windows XP first came out.. there will be tons and tons of fixes and stuff... I remember when XP first launched.

Then I shall wait till next year at least before upgrading. WM5 looks hubba hubba good though. =F

don't know whether can it be upgradeable for hp 6515 ?

It's has been announced by HP that there will not be WM5 upgrade for 6515. IIRC, Vicott has posted the news before.

Cheers
John

Anyway, I've posted a list of WM5 devices and also devices that will have the official upgrade somewhere on the first page of this thread. HP iPAQ hw6515 is not on the list.

Any idea if Asus A730 might get the upgrade?

I'm considering getting it.

They have not announced any plans to do so yet, so the answer would most likely be a "no".

http://www.pocketpcmag.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=18459

explicitly enable complete shutdown

Does anyone know what the software is to display the battery life indicator on the taskbar like in the screenshots 'thirtycents' posted (page 3)?

Also, does anyone know what software was used for the Today screen shown in the last two screenshots by 'thirycents's post (page 3)?

Cheers :)

He is using SPB Pocket Plus .

On my dopod 900, the Setting\power application is different from the picture posted below leh.

Is there a similar way to control the power button on the dopod 900?

Part 3
I think this is another important thread from the Windows Mobile Team Blog describing what a Compaction Thread is for (which may cause slowness on certain PPC devices) and how it affects NAND Flash ROM which most models using WM 5.0 use for Persistent Storage.

Apparently no. The best you can do is turn on flight mode and put it to standby.

Bernard

hi, how can i change where i save my data to when i receive something via bluetooth?

cheers

hi toanaldino,

for devices which uses the Microsoft bluetooth stack, I dont think its possible...it will go straight to \My Documents folder...its possible with devices using the Broadcomm bluetooth stack though...

is it backward compatible? can i run wm2003se programs on it?

For certain programs they are possible but the best is to use the WM5 version.

hi, can any1 advise how i could see the existing gsm network i am on now.

It is very important when i make call near woodlands checkpt

Is there anyway to show it on Today? Tks.

You should try Pocketmax Phone Alarm - that allows you to display the "Operator" on your today screen.

i havve phone alarm ... where do i activate it?

Go to PA settings, then on the Addon tab, click on Scroller and tick "Operator". Make sure you have the correct skin installed that shows the scroller.

Enjoy